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kg_lildude1 · Oct 26, 2005, 07:37 PM // 19:37

what you have to understand is that most 12 year olds do not care about moral values and what is right and wrong, which is in my mind the biggest problem that we have in our society today.

splash_79 · Oct 26, 2005, 07:37 PM // 19:37

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Originally Posted by Akhilleus

incorrect.
the point of the case was to determine boundaries for what is constituted as indecent, and as such, is unprotected by the free-speech, free-press clauses of the first amendment.
the discussion of homosexuality and the rights of homosexuals tos peak out, passes the roth, memoirs and miller tests, and as such does NOT constitute indecency, and is as such protected by the frist amendment.

I said that there are limitations to freedom of speech. You proof my point. I'm still clueless to what you are actually trying to argue. I never stated anything in opposition to what you are posting.

Xue Yi Liang · Oct 26, 2005, 07:37 PM // 19:37

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Originally Posted by Akhilleus

in that case i am with you, but censoring the word gay because some 12 year old uses the term "gay build" is, in my opinion, not what is needed to difer from the term as offensive; they merely advertise their lack of an education; it is when someone uses it as a direct insult knowing full well its impact is to be recieved with emotional disgust, that the person needs to be limited, as the comment bears no qualifying facotr that could possibly justify its utterance.

Well said. That's one distinction I ought to illustrate. I don't mean to put people on the defensive since I'm not insinuating that their use of the term (e.g. "gay build") was meant to be pejorative.

Akhilleus · Oct 26, 2005, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by splash_79

I said that there are limitations to freedom of speech. You proof my point. I'm still clueless to what you are actually trying to argue. I never stated anything in opposition to what you are posting.

i apologize then, form your quote i thought you ere trying to say "outspoken gayness" was not protected.
if that isnt the case, then please direct my comment to the person who was arguing against you.

splash_79 · Oct 26, 2005, 07:41 PM // 19:41

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Originally Posted by Akhilleus

i apologize then, form your quote i thought you ere trying to say "outspoken gayness" was not protected.
if that isnt the case, then please direct my comment to the person who was arguing against you.

Will do!

MSecorsky · Oct 26, 2005, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

If you want to pick apart my words, then technically "yes", it's considered an unnatural act because it deviates from the behavioral or social norm in our society. So, by lack of a definition, you're wrong.

Well no... homosexual behaviour, even though it may be minority behaviour, is still found in nature and even outside our own species. Hence, it's natural.

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I know a few people that happen to be gay, and I think they are good people. I don't really feel the need to defend them because they are quite capable of taking care of themselves.

However, I have two key issues concerning gay men/boys.

1) I was molested by an 18 year old teenage boy that lived in my neighborhood when I was 7 years old, and was forced to do things that I would rather not discuss. It didn't make me gay, but it really confused me growing up.

Not surprising, I can't even say that I understand having no point of reference myself to go by. However, there are good and bad people out there of all beliefs and orientations, and unfortunately you met one of the bad.

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2) I've had more than one occasion when gay men have made sexual advances towards me, even after I was married. I remember at a place I used to work in my early 20's there were two gay men that were friends, and every time they passed me in the hall they would snicker, make comments about me, look at my crotch, and check out my ass. Needless to say I felt violated and I did nothing to provoke there advances.

The burning question is why do so many gay men feel the need to try and flip a straight man?

Speak up gay men, I would really like to know.

I believe the animosity towards gay men stems from similar situations that portray all gay men as evil sexual predators, but I know thats not true. It only takes one person to make everyone else look bad.

Perhaps you set off their 'gaydar'? Hey, maybe some gay men just find you attractive or misread something to think you may be closeted.

As for sexual predators, the vast majority are heterosexual, and all are evil imo.

Omega Complex · Oct 26, 2005, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

The burning question is why do so many gay men feel the need to try and flip a straight man?

Speak up gay men, I would really like to know.

I believe the animosity towards gay men stems from similar situations that portray all gay men as evil sexual predators, but I know thats not true. It only takes one person to make everyone else look bad.

Now that I take offense to.

You ask me to speak up, here you go. The stereotype that all gay men are pedophiles and sexual preditors is ABSURD. I have encountered situations where families that have seen me with another guy and usher their children away from us as if I had some disease.

You make a VERY large assumption on the acts of "all gay men." I have no desire to convert straight men. So you are hugely incorrect in assuming the actions of a limited few constitute the general opinion of all gay persons.

I am terribly sorry for what happened to you, and that you had a difficult childhood, I truly am. However you need to broaden your perspective slightly. I have met man straight men, many of them friends, and they know I am gay. I would not, in any lifetime, dream of jepordizing my friendship with them to convert them.

*edited for spelling and correctness

splash_79 · Oct 26, 2005, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

1) I was molested by an 18 year old teenage boy that lived in my neighborhood when I was 7 years old, and was forced to do things that I would rather not discuss. It didn't make me gay, but it really confused me growing up.

2) I've had more than one occasion when gay men have made sexual advances towards me, even after I was married. I remember at a place I used to work in my early 20's there were two gay men that were friends, and every time they passed me in the hall they would snicker, make comments about me, look at my crotch, and check out my ass. Needless to say I felt violated and I did nothing to provoke there advances.

3)The burning question is why do so many gay men feel the need to try and flip a straight man?

Speak up gay men, I would really like to know.

1) I'm sorry you had to go through that, but you were molested by a pedophile not a gay man.

2) Imagine how women must feel

3) I may look at straight man, but I'll never try to 'flip' one. Being gay is not about sex for me. I can never have any sort of meaningful relationship with a straight man. Having gay or straight sex doesnt always have everything to do with sexuality either. Ask all the gay man that are married with children. Or the straight guys fooling around in high school and college. Or read Kinsey.

Akhilleus · Oct 26, 2005, 07:48 PM // 19:48

let me say this;
homosexuality, while NOT the norm, is an natural occurance.
i think many anti-gay proponents need to learn the difference between the two terms.

Omega Complex · Oct 26, 2005, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by splash_79

3) I may look at straight man, but I'll never try to 'flip' one. Being gay is not about sex for me. I can never have any sort of meaningful relationship with a straight man. Having gay or straight sex doesnt always have everything to do with sexuality either. Ask all the gay man that are married with children. Or the straight guys fooling around in high school and college. Or read McKinsey.

You hit the nail on the head, cheers.

Also, if anyone wants to ask me questions, needs a friend, advice, or just somone to talk to, I urge you to contact me via my IGN or MSN. Im a good listener, and have at least some wisdom in my young age. I'm here, if anyone needs to talk.

Tzhebee · Oct 26, 2005, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

2) I've had more than one occasion when gay men have made sexual advances towards me, even after I was married. I remember at a place I used to work in my early 20's there were two gay men that were friends, and every time they passed me in the hall they would snicker, make comments about me, look at my crotch, and check out my ass. Needless to say I felt violated and I did nothing to provoke there advances.

The burning question is why do so many gay men feel the need to try and flip a straight man?

2) Are you angry because you were treated like a piece of meat...or because it was MEN treating you like a piece of meat? My bet is that if a couple hot ladies walked by you daily, checking out your "package" and making comments, you would have joked with your buddies about it and had a small ego boost. If you would have been JUST as offended by women, then I apologize.

As for gay men wanting to flip a straight guy? That's just dumb IMO. It's just like a guy wanting to flip a lesbian. The real answer is: they don't. Chances are they are simply physically attracted to them and wouldn't mind getting them in the sack for a night.

Savio · Oct 26, 2005, 08:45 PM // 20:45

I was hoping for some more valid discussion, as a bit did emerge around the time I earlier posted, yet I guess it was destined to degenerate into this. Closed.